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September 8, 2009

The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth

When interpreting the Constitution, we must decide whether we will look to the document as an original and static one whose meaning has already been established at a given time by the People and its Framers or one that is living and which can be changed over any given time by a court of law. See the address of Justice Antonin Scalia to the 2008 Annual National Lawyers Convention on November 22, 2008, at the Mayflower Hotel, in Washington, D.C. (advocates originalism rather than living constitutionalism). I submit that Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause has a fixed and knowable meaning which was established at the time of its drafting and should therefore be interpreted through the eyes of the original Framers that drafted and ratified the clause so as to determine what they intended the clause to mean (original intent theory). I also submit that we should interpret the “natural born Citizen” clause in a way that reasonable persons living at the time of its adoption would have declared the ordinary meaning of the text to be (original meaning theory). This is not living constitutionalism but rather originalism or textualism as applied to interpreting the Constitution. It is this latter approach that I will utilize in this article.

E. Vattel stated in 1758, as translated into English in 1797: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” E. Vattel, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Sec. 212 Citizens and natives. In Footnote 1 at the end of Sec. 212, Vattel stated that “as a general rule” the child inherits his father’s citizenship, or his mother’s but only if she is not married.

The first thing that we have to understand about what Vattel wrote is that he made a distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen.” A citizen is simply a member of the civil society who is bound to the society by certain duties and subject to its authority. “Citizens” also participate equally in all the advantages the society has to offer. On the other hand, a “natural born Citizen” means much more than just “citizen.” Vattel required that for a child to be a “natural born citizen,” or what he called in French in his 1758 first edition of The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, les naturels, ou indigenes (the “natives or indigines”-The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253 (1814)), the child must be born in the country to both parents who are also citizens of the same country.

In the original French, Vattel wrote: “Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays de parents citoyens,” meaning the “natives or indigines” are those born in the country of citizen parents. Both the Framers and later English translators of Vattel’s treatise replaced the words”natural born Citizen” for the words “natives or indigenes.” From Madison’s notes, we see that there were some delegates who were concerned about foreigners. For example, from Max Farrand’s transcripts of Madison’s notes (August 9 and August 13, 1787), there is the following concerning the House of Representatives eligibility requirements: “Mr. Gerry wished that in future the eligibility might be confined to Natives.” The word “native” occurs multiple times in the notes for these two days. (The phrase “natural born citizen” was not used here by the delegates.). The word “native” was a synonym for the phrase “natural born citizen.” The delegates had already used the term “natural born citizen” when proposing the requirements for President, Vice President, and either House of Congress and later used the word “natives” when referring to eligibility requirements for the House of Representative. There is further evidence of this in at least three works: Blackstone’s “Commentaries on the Laws of England” (see Book the First: The Rights of Persons; Chapter the Tenth: Of People, Whether Aliens, Denizens or Natives.), translations of Quintilian’s “Institutio Oratoria”, and the 1797 English edition of Vattel’s “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law.”

In the beginning of his definition, Vattel required that the children be born of “parents” who are citizens. The use of the word “parents” refers to both mother and father. If he required only one parent such as the father, he would have said “of fathers who are citizens” and not “of parents who are citizens.” He did later refer to “fathers,” but only because wives automatically acquired the citizenship of their husbands the same way children did. This rule was carried into our own naturalization laws, wherein citizenship can be derived from a close relation. Historically, a number of U.S. laws have provided for the automatic naturalization of children or wives (not husbands) of naturalized U.S. citizens. In some periods of our history, these laws provided that married women derived citizenship from their husband and had no control over their status. Under the Act of 10 February 1855, a woman automatically became an American upon marrying a U.S. citizen or following the naturalization of her foreign husband. Kelly v. Owen, 74 U.S. 7 Wall. 496 (1868). The 1922 Married Women’s Act (or the Cable Act) finally severed the link between naturalization and marital status for most women. Hence, if Vattel meant to focus only on “fathers,” he would have used “fathers” throughout his definition and never mentioned “parents” when he first defined “natural born Citizen,” for there would not have been any need to use the word “parents” when “fathers” would have sufficed. Hence, Vattel would have focused on the citizenship of the father since that citizenship would determine that of both the mother and child. It is also noteworthy that Vattel had no problem allowing the child to inherit the citizenship of the mother when the mother was not married to the child’s father. Given that Vattel in effect really focused on the citizenship of both the child’s father and mother in defining a “natural born Citizen,” Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” does not violate the equal protection guarantee embedded in the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998); Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001).

There is other evidence in his treatise that shows that Vattel meant to refer to both the child’s mother and father in his definition of a “natural born citizen.” When defining what a country is in Section 122, he stated the “term signifies the state, or even more particularly the town or place, where our parents had their fixed residence at the moment of our birth…. A man ought to preserve gratitude and affection for the state to which he is indebted for his education, and of which his parents were members when they gave him birth….” In commenting on the citizenship status of children born at sea at Section 216, he stated that a child born abroad a foreign vessel that is docked in a port belonging to their own nation is reputed born in the country, provided “she [the mother] and her husband have not quitted their native country to settle elsewhere.” In commenting upon vagrants in Section 219he stated: “Vagrants are people who have no settlement. Consequently those born of vagrant parents have no country, since a man’s country is the place where, at the time of his birth, his parents had their settlement (Section 122), or it is the state of which his father was then a member…” Given that Vattel in effect really focused on the citizenship of both the child’s father and mother in defining a “natural born Citizen,” Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” does not violate the equal protection guarantee embedded in the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998); Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001).

The Framers were very familiar with William Blackstone. We can also see in the writings of Blackstone that the allegiance of both parents to the King was needed to avoid dual allegiance in the child. Blackstone wrote:

“When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king’s embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held (by a kind of postliminium) to be born under the king of England’s allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husband’s consent, might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain (emphais in the original).”

William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:354, 357–58, 361-62 (1765). We can see that even the English Parliament gave importance to a child having both parents be “in the allegiance of the king,” which under English common law meant the parents would have been “natural born subjects.” By having both parents be “natural born subjects,” the child would not have been born with any other conflicting allegiance other than the one that attached from the foreign soil. Parliament was willing to live with any allegiance attaching to the child from the foreign soil but not with any that may attach by descent from one of the parents, the latter one being by nature a much more stronger one. It was only later in time that the rule was made less restrictive and allowed for just the father to be a “natural born subject.”

There is historical evidence that the Founders borrowed from the Dutch much more heavily than from the British when making the new nation. During the revolutionary period Dutch law provided for citizenship by jus sanguinis. There is considerable evidence that the Framers were also influenced by the citizenship law of Holland. “The American colonists had become familiar with the rights of citizenship possessed in other countries, both from the fact that some of them resided in Holland for a time, before they came to America, and from the further fact that the New York colony was essentially Dutch in its original settlement and government.” John S. Wise, A Treatise on American Citizenship (1906). In Holland, “[c]itizenship could be acquired in several ways. Probably the most common was birth. Some towns accepted everyone as citizen who was baptized in a local church. But more commonly it was required that one’s parents were citizens too. . . .” R. Po-chia Hsia & Henk F. K. van Nierop, Calvinism and Religious Toleration in the Dutch Golden Age 161(2002). “One’s parents” would necessarily included one’s mother and father. This Dutch law is consistent with Vattel’s definition of what is a “natural born citizen.”

Apart from the heavy Dutch influence upon the Founders, when the Framers drafted the Constitution, they relied heavily upon Vattel to guide them. Citizenship was a topic that affected U.S. relations with other nations. Given that citizenship affects “the behavior of nation states with each other” (Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain, 542 U.S. 692 (2004), the Founders would have looked to the law of nations to define it for the purposes of the new nation. The law of nations definition on citizenship also gave uniformity to the subject area, which the Framers wanted to achieve for citizenship laws as they did for naturalization laws. Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1, 36 (Wheat) (1824). They would therefore have referred to and accepted Vattel’s law of nations definition to give meaning to what an Article II “natural born Citizen” was.

The meaning of a “natural born Citizen” as expressed by Vattel, including that both parents of the child must be citizens at the time of the child’s birth in order to make the child a “natural born Citizen,” was carried forward in American history following the Founding. The standard provided by Vattel has not changed in our jurisprudence and is still valid today as it was during the Founding. Also, the Fourteenth Amendment has not changed the meaning of a “natural born Citizen.” Legislative activity by the early Congresses provides insight into the question of whether Vattel required one or two parents to be citizens. There are Congressional acts that were passed after the Constitution was adopted that give us insight into what the Framers of the Constitution meant by “natural born Citizen.” The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 (1 Stat.103,104) which provided that “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.” This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.” The Naturalization Act of 1790 declared these children to be “natural born Citizens,” but only retrospectively. See Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657 (1927). It is interesting to note that George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law and if he had disagreed with the two U.S. citizen-parent requirement, he could have vetoed this bill. One would then at first think that this legislation strongly suggests that the Framers of the Constitution understood this phrase to refer to citizenship acquired from both of the child’s parents at birth, regardless of whether or not that birth had taken place in the United States. This statute shows what role the parents played in the minds of the early founders.

While only retrospectively, the First Congress was willing to declare a child born out of the United States to two United States parents a “natural born Citizen.” This was not consistent with what Vattel wrote in The Law of Nations of Principles of Natural Law, at Sec. 215. Children of citizens, born in a foreign country, where he declared these children just “citizens” and not “natural born citizens”: “It is asked, whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (Sec. 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot of itself furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say ‘of itself,’ for civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. . . .” (emphasis supplied). Clearly, Vattel addressed the question of whether these children are “citizens,” not “natural born citizen.” He does not address the question of whether they are “natural born citizens” because according to his own definition, a child had to be born “in the country” in order to be a “natural born citizen.” Being born abroad and therefore not “in the country,” such a child could not be a “natural born citizen.”

In this connection and as an aside which applies to the question of whether Senator McCain is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” it should be noted that according to Vattel, being physically born out of the country did not necessarily mean that one was not born “in the country.” Vattel explained that if a child was born “in the armies of the state,” that child was “reputed born in the country; for a citizen, who is absent with his family on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.” Vattel, Sec. 217. Since this child would have been born in the foreign “armies of the state,” he would normally not be granted citizenship in the country in which he was physically born. Additionally, the country on whose soil the child might be born might adhere to a jus sanguinis system of conferring citizenship (meaning that born on its soil alone would not confer citizenship and therefore allegiance and loyalty on the child). Being born under those conditions, this child would therefore be born with sole allegiance to the country of his parents and would qualify as a “natural born citizen” of that country.

While the 1790 act naturalized all “persons” and so included women, it also declared that “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States….” This prevented the automatic grant of citizenship to children born abroad whose mother, but not father, had resided in the United States. Citizenship was inherited exclusively through the father. As we have seen above, Congress did not remove the inequity until 1934. This focus on the father as the source of citizenship (but not meaning that the status of the mother was not considered) is consistent with what Vattel wrote in Section 212 of The Law of Nations. This is further evidence that the Framers relied upon Vattel in defining citizenship for the new Republic.

In 1795 the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words “natural born” from the term “natural born citizen” and thereby just left “citizens” as the status to be given to children born out of the United States. The fact that the 1790 Act as written was short lived and was only retrospective shows that Congress just wanted to make certain persons born abroad during the early years of the Republic “natural born Citizen” so that they could be eligible to be President. This sort of special allowance was comparable to the grandfather clause of Article II which allowed a “citizen” to be President provided that he was such at the time of the adoption of the Constitution which the Framers in 1790 knew occurred in 1789. It seems that the Third Congress passed this amendment to the 1790 Act to clarify for those living at that time who was and who was not a “natural born Citizen” per the Framers intent at that time, since the 1790 Act had introduced confusion into that subject regarding the use of those special words as found in Article II. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 714 (1898) (Fuller, C.J., dissenting) (statute “passed out of abundant caution to obviate misunderstandings” about the citizenship status of foreign-born children of Americans). It is again important to note that George Washington was also President in 1795, making him aware of this change by the Third Congress. If he disagreed with the clarification and change in the wording in the new 1795 Act, he would have vetoed it. The 1790 and 1795 Acts are contemporaneous evidence of who the Framers meant to include as “natural born Citizens.” Pryor, The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty, 97 Yale L.J. 881 (1988).

Subsequent Supreme Court cases have stated that in interpreting the Constitution, we must look to the common law that the Framers accepted at the time of the Founding. There is strong historical evidence that the Framers in constituting the new Constitutional Republic rejected the English common law and accepted the new federal common law which emanated from the law of nations. On this subject, see my article included at this blog entitled, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is. Indeed, as we will see below, our Supreme Court adopted that definition when defining a “natural born Citizen” and thereby incorporated it into U.S. federal common law.

The definition and two-parent requirement has been reiterated by the Supreme Court and other courts in the cases of The Venus, 12U.S. 253(1814), Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242 (1830), Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1856), Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875) , Ex parte Reynolds, 20 F. Cas. 582 (C.C.W.D. Ark 1879), United States v. Ward, 42 F. 320 (1890); Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), and Ludlam, Excutrix, & c., v. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. 356 (1863). It has also been confirmed by renowned legislators, including Senator Trumbull, the author of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and Representative John A. Bingham, the architect of the 14th Amendment to our Constitution.

In the case of The Venus 12 U.S. 253, 289 (1814), Justice John Marshall said: “Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says ‘The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.’”

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), did not directly deal with Article II “natural born Citizen.” But there are parts of the Dred Scott decision that are relevant to the question of what is a “natural born Citizen.” The case clearly defined “natural born citizen.” While as repugnant as slavery was and still is, no court or amendment has over turned the meaning of “natural born citizen” from Dred Scott. The main point is that in deciding what a “citizen” was in 1857, both the majority and dissent went back to 1787 to examine what the Framers and the people of that time considered a “citizen” to be. The Court said that the Constitution must be understood now as it was understood at the time it was written. The judges did not disagree that one had to look back to the Founding Fathers. What they disagreed on is what the public opinion was at that time as to whether a freed slave was a citizen. In this regard, we know that the case was overruled by the Thirteenth Amendment. As to the “natural born Citizen” clause, the Court said: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights. Again: I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .” Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, 476-77 (1857). As can be seen from the quoted language, the Court actually removed from the Vattel’s definition the reference to “fathers” and “father” and replaced it with “parents” and “person,” thus showing that it is not just one parent (the father) that needs to be a citizen, but the “parents,” i.e., both mother and father. Also, both Vattel and the Court stated that “if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” The controlling language is “a foreigner.” In the English language, the letter “a” is an indefinite article meaning one. Hence, the use of the word “a” shows that only one is required. We know that a child has both a mother and father and the “a” would necessarily refer to either the mother or father. Surely, if the child were born of one parent who was not a citizen, he would be “born there of a foreigner,” who would be either his foreign mother or father. As can be seen, it is our United States Supreme Court that has made this reading and interpretation of Vattel. This understanding of Vattel is not only correct but also binding upon us.

Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), stated: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” Here we can see that the U.S. Supreme Court in all three of these cases adopted Vattel’s definition of what a “natural born Citizen” is, and specifically repeated his two U.S.-parent test. Dred Scott even removed the word “father” and replaced it with the word “parents.”

The Civil Rights Act of 1866 (Act of April 9, 1866) first established a national law that provided: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.” Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866 (14 Stat. 27). Not being subject to a foreign power includes being free from any political and military obligations to any other nation and not owing any other nation direct and immediate allegiance and loyalty. The primary author of this Act was Senator Trumbull who said it was his intention “to make citizens of everybody born in the United States who owe allegiance to the United States.” Additionally, he added if a “negro or white man belonged to a foreign Government he would not be a citizen.” In order for this requirement to be satisfied, clearly both parents of the child must be U.S. citizens, for if one is not, the child would inherit the foreign allegiance and loyalty of foreign parent and would thereby “belong to a foreign Government.” Rep. John A. Bingham, who later became the chief architect of the 14th Amendment’s first section, in commenting upon Section 1992 of the Civil Rights Act, said that the Act was “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen” (emphasis supplied). Rep. Bingham said “parents.” He did not say “one parent” or “a mother or father.”

Now let us turn to the Fourteenth Amendment. Senator Trumbull, when commenting on that Amendment declared: “The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.” Sen. Howard added: “the word jurisdiction, as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.” On May 30, 1866, Senator Howard continued: “This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Govern- of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.” Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, P. 2890, col. 2. Again, only if the both parents of the child were citizens at the time of birth could the child be subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States, not owe allegiance to any foreign power, and not be a person “born in the United States who are foreigners [or aliens].”

There then followed Supreme Court cases that discussed citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment. In The Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36, 73 (1873), in discussing the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment’s citizenship clause said: “[t]he phrase, ‘subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” Even the dissenting opinion affirmed that the citizenship clause was designed to assure that all persons born within the United States were both citizens of the United States and the state in which they resided, provided they were not at the time of birth subjects of any foreign power. Again, only if both parents of the child were citizens at the time of birth could the child not be considered a citizen or subject of a foreign State born within the United States, be subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States, and not be subject to any foreign power.

In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the Supreme Court specifically addressed what is meant by “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” and held: “The persons declared to be citizens are ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.’ The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.” Only if the child’s both parents were citizens at the time of birth could the child be “completely subject to their [U.S.] political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), did not address what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is. Rather, the Supreme Court there gave a new, divergent, and incorrect interpretation of the “subject to the jurisdiction” clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and vetoed the will of the People and their Legislature to declare Wong a U.S. “citizen” under the unique circumstances of that case. While the case did approvingly cite Minor v. Happersett, since the case only dealt with what is a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen,” the case cannot in any event be used to explain what the Founders meant by Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause. Justice Antonin Scalia, during his address to the 2008 Annual National Lawyers Convention on November 22, 2008, at the Mayflower Hotel, in Washington, D.C., gave three reasons in ascending order (the last being the most compelling) which would serve justification for overturning a prior case: how wrong was it, i.e., was it blatantly and malicious improperly decided ; how well has the public accepted the case; and did the decision cast the Court as a policy maker rather than an interpreter of the law. Given that the Wong Court did not give Congress and the Executive the wide deference that they deserve in exercising its immigration and naturalization powers (Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001) and the Scalia factors, the Wong decision is a prime candidate for reversal.

We have seen that the citizenship status of the parents of a child determines whether that child is born a “natural born Citizen.” Why should we want the child’s parents to be citizens? Alexander Hamilton explained what happens to a person when he or she becomes a citizen of the country: “But there is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years, and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a probability at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs. A residence of not less than five years ought to be required. ” Alexander Hamilton, The Works of Alexander Hamilton, (Federal Edition), vol. 8 > EXAMINATION OF JEFFERSON’S MESSAGE TO CONGRESS OF DECEMBER 7, 1801 1 > paragraph 827. Additionally, the development in the formative years of a child’s minority of a relationship between citizen parents and their child is essential to the child’s ties and allegiance to the United States. Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001) (addressing the importance of the tie between a child and his U.S. citizen father before the child’s 18th birthday as a crucial ingredient in the child attaching and owing allegiance to the United States and that the U.S. government has a “profound” important interest and objective in promoting that link; showing that a child must meet all statutory preconditions [would also mean constitutional requirements] no matter how much one may deem them to be unfair or onerous in order to be bestowed U.S. citizenship). But we have seen that United States Supreme Court case law, the early 1790 and 1795 Naturalization Acts, legislative history of the Civil Rights Act of the 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment all conclusively show that Vattel was understood to say that both parents had to be citizens in order for a child to be a “natural born Citizen.” The Founders, our Supreme Court, Congress, and framers of the Fourteenth Amendment all adopted Vattel’s law of nations definition and two-parent requirement and made it part of Article II, United States citizenship federal common law, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment, respectively. It also would not make sense to allow just one U.S. citizen parent to be sufficient, for each parent has just as much influence as the other on his or her child.

The purpose of Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause is to exclude foreign influence from the Office of President and Commander in Chief. It “cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments . . .” Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:Sec 1472-73 (1833). Remember that Vattel said that if a child is born on a nation’s soil to a non-citizen father (meaning parents), that place “will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause looks only to the moment of birth and not thereafter. This interpretation is consistent with Jay’s underlining the word “born” in his 1787 letter to General (later President) Washington. In other words, to meet that special Presidential eligibility requirement, one must be born a “natural born Citizen” and cannot acquire that status later in life. Under the British Nationality Act 1948, when Obama was born in 1961 his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was a British subject/citizen by descent from his father. Under the British Nationality Act 1981, today Obama can still be a British Overseas Citizen (BOC). See my April 7, 2009 article on this topic at this blog entitled, Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen. Hence, when Obama was born he failed to meet the two-U.S.-citizen-parent test which caused him to be born subject to a foreign power. See my article at this blog entitled, Being Born Subject to a Foreign Power, Obama Cannot be President and Military Commander. It is inescapable that Obama is not and cannot be an Article II “natural born Citizen” and is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
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Jamesburg, NJ 08831
Amended on 12-20-09
Amended on 12-21-09



  1. Dr. Conspiracy has asked me the following question: "Mr. Apuzzo,Do you really believe that the E. de Vattel actually intended to say that his "natural born citizen" must be born in the country and have TWO citizen parents?The French grammar, once cast into the plural, must continue in plural to the end of the sentence. Is it not clear from the context of the following chapters that de Vattel clearly meant ONE citizen parent, and specifically ONE CITIZEN FATHER?"He then asked the following: "If you would be so kind, please add this to my previous post for clarification:What de Vattel clearly meant to say was that the indigenous people are those who are born in the country to citizen parents [fathers].Thanks."Dr. Conspiracy's question has inspired my writing this article. Hence, this article is my answer to Dr. Conspiracy's question. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 8, 2009 @ 7:50 am

  2. No reader should doubt any longer that de Vattel includes BOTH jus solis and jus sanquinis in his definition of 'natural-born Citizen.'Here's how: 'qui sont nes dans le pays (jus solis) de parents citoyens” (jus sanguinis.)'

    Comment by Bob — September 8, 2009 @ 11:30 am

  3. Mario,Dr. Conspiracy said, "The French grammar, once cast into the plural, must continue in plural to the end of the sentence." This is not true, the rule he is alluding to is once a subject is used in the collective sense it must be cast into the plural. This is further proof that Vattel intended the use of parents in the collective sense and not the individual parent.

    Comment by Teo Bear — September 8, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

  4. I researched this guy and came up with two different "Mark"s…—-"Mark" #1"Mark Ndesandjo" or Ruth Nidesand is the name of Ruth's son. Ruth was the other American wife of Obama, Sr.Mark lives in Shenzhen, China. has met his brother only once and reading from what Obama says about him in his book, they do not get along at all Check Obama"s book and read about what he says of his encounter of Mark and his mother during his visit to Kenya. No wonder he thinks talking Obama is excess baggage.Mark seems to be an actual intellectual, not a fake like Barack, holding a masters in Physics. He seems to be very authentic, charity-minded and a solid, very good individual. Really. He's diametrically opposite to Barack in terms of character and true brains. They're that different. wound up in China, apparently to work with orphans, in 2002 he arrived from Florida, and just stayed. He said that the children in China have plenty of food to eat but not enough music, so he taught piano at an orphanage. Once Barack said he was very impressed with China during the Olympics, but never said anything about China's 8 million slaves. Mark lived in Kenya his first 8 years…———–"Mark" #2Obama’s Chinese brother has been living in Shenzhen, Peoples Republic of China for the past two years. He runs a company that facilitates the outsourcing of American jobs, called Worldnexus Ltd. Obama’s Chinese brother is named Mark Ndesandjo. He is the product of an adulterous marital affair between Barack Obama Sr. and Ruth Nidesand, a wealthy American Harvard graduate who runs an elitist day care in Nairobi, Kenya.He holds American citizenship, but rarely visits the States and allegedly doesn’t pay a dime in taxes from his outsourcing company’s profits. He reportedly was once involved in a gay relationship with a Chinese youngster, but Chinese police have not yet convicted him of any crime. Obama has been also accused of being in a gay relationship, but substantial evidence has not been found. ArticleObama’s illegitimate brother, Mark Ndesandjo, has been found to be living in Shenzhen, China. He runs a business encouraging American corporations to layoff their employees in the States and open up sweatshops in the Communist nation. Mr. Ndesandjo is the product of an adulterous relationship between the President Elect’s Father, Obama Senior, and an American woman he met while attending Harvard on a full scholarship. The President Elect only mentions his brother once in his book, and conveniently leaves out his name. Mr. Ndesandjo refuses to answer any Media questions, and goes to extreme lengths to keep infomration regarding Obama senior seceret. He is currently engaded to a Chinese woman, Li Song Ho. ——–Which leads to another Barack half brother, British child molester Samson…who molested a 13 year old girl whilst visiting "relatives" in Britain. Samson Obama was denied a visa after immigration officers noticed one of his documents was false. That led them to further inquiries. see a thread of false documents and child molestation in the Obama clan…obviously citizenship fabrication is a hiccup to these people…Donofrio was right…

    Comment by cajapie — September 8, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

  5. Mario:Great piece – well done. Any but a dyed-in-the-wool Obot (or one who runs an attack blog for them) could understand it.Nice – very nice!!

    Comment by jayjay — September 8, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

  6. Hello All, In response to this article that I have just written, the following comment appears on Dr. Conspiracy's blog: "I am a French lawyer (graduated Sorbonne 1978) and I’m sorry to say that your understanding of Vattel relies on an insufficient grasp of the French language or a poor translation."I will appreciate anyone who reads this blog and who is interested at arriving at the truth regarding the question of Obama's eligibility to be our President and Commander in Chief contacting a French lawyer who can give us his or her opinion on how Vattel should be read in the original French text. It will surely be interesting to receive such an opinion. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 8, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

  7. "those who are born in the country of citizen parents"What's so complicated about that?That "S" on parents means more than one. And "sont" means "are" just as we do not say "those who is born in the country of citizen parents"

    Comment by cajapie — September 8, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

  8. Whatever the intricacies of French grammar, it seems clear Obama had a foreign father and therefore would not be considered a natural born citizen by Vattel or the Founders or the Supreme Court. Do not be distracted from the truth by the obfuscating Dr. C. The illegal usurper should be removed without delay.

    Comment by Harry II — September 8, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

  9. Dear Mario,Please do not be distracted by this posting about French Lawyers. First Emer de Vattel was not a French lawyer, but a respected Swiss Jurist. Second, when de Vattel wrote of France he was writing of the laws concerning the monarchy.Third, any lawyer trained in France today would be more more familiar with the Napoleonic Code than Vattel, as their legal system still follows the same format as Napoleon laid out. A French interpretation of Vattel is not only irrelevant, but disingenuous. While Dr. Conspiracy does make a point, the only authoritative experts in both the particular regional dialect of French and the correct interpretation of Vattel would be a Swiss Jurist from the Neuchatel region of Switzerland.To say simply because Vattel wrote in French would make France an expert in Vattel is one of Dr. Conspiracy's more incredulous statements.The founding fathers we quite adept in the French language, especially Ben Franklin. To think that they solely relied on the English version is to ignore the fact that in 1775 Franklin had ordered 3 copies of the latest edition in French.The fact that the French lawyer will not like is that Vattel was not influenced by any French thinkers, instead his source of inspiration was from German and Dutch intellectuals. The French have been known to take credit for many things that appear to be French but are not. French Fries for instance are not French but Belgium.

    Comment by Teo Bear — September 8, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

  10. Mario –Your French attorney is correct — but only in this sense — 21st Century English is not 18th Century English.Case-in-point: The title of the book (in French) was, “Le Droit des Gens, ou, Principes de la loi naturelle, appliqué à la conduite & aux affaires des nations & des souverains:” or “The Law of Nations, or, Principals of the Natural Law, applied to the conduct & affairs of nations & sovereigns” (1758).The English is a terrible translation — but why does it matter — it doesn't, because the Framers of the Constitution read the book in French anyway, and because the English was not available until 10 years AFTER the Constitution was already ratified.A better translation would be, "The Right of the People, or the Principals of Natural Law, etc."Emmerich de Vattel died in 1767. His name indicates that he was probably Swiss German and not Swiss French, because it looks like his name originally was "von Waadt Tal," which is the place where he actually was born — and because he was employed mostly by German-speaking princes during his career.Hopefully, this helps to explain why de Vattel is so stilted in French, and why the English translation is also so stilted. Further, he was greatly influenced by the writer, Christian Wolff, a German who wrote in Latin, “Jus naturae et jus gentium” or “The Right of Nature, and The Law of Nations” (1740-1749). Wolff’s book was translated into French by Emmerich de Vattel (Completed, 1762).That title would also be better translated, "The Right of Nature, and the Right of the People."Now, this is the point at which your French professor is mistaken. Why? Because de Vattel (while writing in French) was thinking in Latin.He was distinguishing between 'Alienigenae" and 'Indigenae,' according to the Right of Nature. That is why he wrote: les [citoyens] naturels (jus sanguinis) ou indigenes (jus solis)!

    Comment by Bob — September 9, 2009 @ 2:31 am

  11. Bob, Here is some information on the Vattel editions provided by John Greschak: “I would like to clarify some points regarding Vattel's book "Le Droit des Gens", which, in its translated form, was titled "The Law of Nations."In various places, I have seen statements that suggest that Vattel wrote the phrase "natural-born citizens" in Section 212 of a book titled "The Law of Nations" in 1758. And, since the Framers knew of Vattel's work, it has been suggested that they were influenced by his use of this phrase.From what I can see, that is incorrect. Here are the facts (as I understand them):1. In 1758, Vattel wrote a book titled "Le Droit des Gens" in French. There he used the phrase "Naturels, or Indigenes" (with an accent grave on the first "e" of "Indigenes").2. Subsequently, in 1759, Vattel's book was translated into English and published in London (and called "The Law of Nations"). I do not know who did this translation. Vattel's phrase "Naturels, or Indigenes" was translated into "natives, or indigenes" (with no accent grave in "Indigenes").3. The first American edition of Vattel's book was published in 1787 in New York. The text for Section 212 in this edition was identical to that of the first English-language edition from 1759; specifically, is used the phrase "natives, or indigenes."4. I have seen Dublin, London and New York English-language editions that were published in 1792, 1793 and 1796, respectively. There again, the phrase "natives, or indigenes" was used.5. In 1797, an English-language edition of Vattel's book was printed in London. There the phrase "natives, or natural-born citizens" was used instead of "natives, or indigenes." In this edition, other changes were made to the English-language version of Section 212 as well. I do not know who was responsible for these changes. I believe this is the first time the phrase "natural-born citizen" was used in any edition of "The Law of Nations."Consequently, I do not believe Vattel wrote "natural-born citizens." Also, since the Constitution was written in 1787 and had been ratified by all 13 original states by the end of 1790, I do not believe that the Framers were influenced by this use of the phrase "natural-born citizens" in "The Law of Nations" (which was not published until 1797).By this, I do not mean to imply that this particular passage from the 1797 English edition of "Le Droit des Gens" is insignificant. I believe it tells us something about the meaning of the phrase "natural born Citizen". I take the phrase "natives, or natural-born citizens" as an indication that "natives" and "natural-born citizens" are synonymous terms. The question then becomes: Of the many possible meanings for the word "native", with which sense is the phrase "natural born Citizen" synonymous?I have published an image of the version of Section 212 from "Le Droit des Gens" and images of various versions of this section from translations of that work. You can find these in the introductory paragraphs of my essay "What is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States?" at” John Greschak. The point to understand is that "natural born Citizen" is associated with Vattel, even if he did not use those exact words himself but rather used "naturels, ou indigenes" ("natives or indigenes)" Vattel defined those French words to mean someone who was born in the country to citizen parents. Someone during the 1797 English translation substituted the phrase "natural born Citizen" for the words "natives" and "indigenes." But the three words all meant the same thing, i.e., someone born in the county to citizen parents. Hence, the conclusion is that Vattel provided the definition of what a "natural born Citizen" is, for that phrase replaced the words "natives or indigenes" which he defined exactly the same way as "natural born Citizen" came to be defined. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 9, 2009 @ 4:15 am

  12. I have been debating the Obama eligibility issue at Dr. Conspiracy's blog. I have come to the following conclusion. Dr. Conspiracy and his collegues can complain all they want about me not having any evidence to support my position. But my writings speak for themselves. If we really think about it, it is the Obama supporters who do not have any evidence regarding what "natural born Citizen" means. It is they who want the “natural born Citizen” clause defined by English common law when not one U.S. Supreme Court case has done so. It is they who want to read something into the 14th Amendment like who can be President that is not there or ever intended to be there. It is they who want to read the “natural born Citizen” clause as though the Framers did not include the words “natural born” in that clause. It is they who want to amend Article II by way of the 14th Amendment when that was neither the purpose nor effect of that amendment. It is they who want the Lynch case, a state court decision about who should inherit some land, to decide national citizenship issues and thus determine who can be President. It is they who want Wong Kim Ark, which decided under the unique circumstances of that case that Wong was a citizen under the 14th Amendment when he was born in the United States even though his mother and father were aliens, to also decide who can be President under Article II. Not only do the Obama people refuse to provide any documents that may show Obama is eligible for the Presidency. But they also fail to provide any coherent legal argument that supports their view of what is an Article II "natural born "Citizen." As you know, all the cases that Obama has so far won he did not win on the merits of his eligibility but rather on threshold issues. It is time that Obama and his supporters produce some substance (some documents and some law) rather than just their clamor and ad hominem attacks. It is time that they produce a real legal argument supporting their position rather than just throw about little pieces here and there and argue and win their straw man arguments, which all together really does not amount to anything. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 9, 2009 @ 5:13 am

  13. Hi Mario,Excellent new piece on natural born citizenship.On the French versus English editions of Vattel let me repeat something I noted many months ago.An often overlooked piece of information in the translation of Section 212 of Vattel's Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law is that the title of Section 212 in the French edition is, "Des citoyens et naturels." While Vattel did not repeat in the sentence the word "citoyens" in the phrase right next to the words "Les naturels" when he defined "Les naturels, ou indigenes" as those born in the country to parents who were citizens of the country, the title of this section in French I think makes it clear what he was talking about. The title of this section was never correctly translated in any English edition, imo. Would you look at the title of Section 212 in both the French and English versions of Vattel and see if it sheds any light on this subject under discussion. I think it does. But I would be interested in your viewpoint on it and to share it here with us all. I had discussed this point in this blog many months ago but it might be worth a revisit, i.e., looking at the title of the section in French to help enlighten what Vattel was writing about and trying to convey to his readers about natural law. I had also shared at time with Teo the Bear image copies of both the French and English versions of section 212 with the title shown. Teo wrote a piece about this in his site. Here is the link:, take a look at the title of Section 212 in the French edition and if you wish propound a little on that title's direct translation and meaning.CharlesP.S. Also, in your list of the various editions of Vattel, there was also the new 1775 French edition by Dumas that Ben Franklin obtained three copies of for use by the Continental Congress. I know you are aware of it. I just wanted to reiterate that the founders were using the French edition as these men were well educated and were fluent in French. And thus as all scholars, they would certainly read Vattel in the French since that was the language of the original and thus the best way for them to understand what Vattel was proposing. They had access to French editions and they used them. Ben Franklin's comments in 1775 attest to that. George Washington was also observed reading Vattel on his inauguration day in 1789.

    Comment by cfkerchner — September 9, 2009 @ 7:20 am

  14. Mario –The stuff both you and Charles have added is even better than what I put forward.Trying to contain 250 years of Continental linguistics into a tiny box on the screen is a formidable task.However, what EVERYONE needs to walk away with here, is that the Framers of our Constitution were GENIUSES, and they routinely read the source material in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, French, German, and the English of the King James Bible.I recently listened to a young actor audition for a Shakespeare play, and she performed it beautifully. Yet, as she left the stage I heard to say to my daughter — "I didn't understand a word of what I just said!"That's our problem in a nutshell, and you have done a TERRIFIC job in making these musty old volumes current and readable.

    Comment by Bob — September 9, 2009 @ 11:48 am

  15. For those on the blog who wish to see and translate themselves the actual text of the 1758 edition in modern translation applications like Babylon (I do recommend Babylon as it allows you to add multiple language dictionaries and even specialized dictionaries) I am presenting it here.§.212 Des Citoyens & Naturels. Les Citoyens sont les membres de la Société Civile : Liés à cette Société par certains devoirs, & soumis à son Autorité, ils participent avec égalité à ses avantages. Les Naturels, ou Indigènes sont ceux qui sont nés dans le pays, de Parens Citoyens. La Société ne pouvant se soutenir & se perpétuer que par les enfans des Citoyens ; ces enfans y suivent naturellement la condition de leurs Péres, & entrent dans tous leurs droits. La Société est censée le vouloir ainsi ; par une suite de ce qu'elle doit à sa propre conservation ; & l’on présume de droit que chaque Citoyen, en entrant dans la Société, réserve à ses enfans le droit d'en être membres. La Patrie des Péres est donc celle des enfans ; & ceux-ci deviennent de véritables Citoyens, par leur simple consentement tacite. Nous verrons bien-tôt, si parvenus à l’âge de raison, ils peuvent renoncer à leur droit, & ce qu'ils doivent à la Société dans laquelle ils sont nés. Je dis que pour être d'un pays, il faut être né d'un pére Citoyen ; car si vous y étes né d'un Etranger, ce pays sera seulement le lieu de votre naissance, sans être votre Patrie.

    Comment by Teo Bear — September 9, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

  16. Mario –In the year 2009 (for all intents and purposes) American law is "codified." So, this legal principal applies: animus hominis est, anima scripti — “The intent of the parties is the soul of the instrument.”The instrument reads: “No Person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5).All other Americans are CITIZENS by Law (jus civile). Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 gives Congress the sole power “to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization:” and the ‘Act of March 26, 1790’ (1 Stat.103) was its first attempt at it.Therefore, 'natural-born CITIZENS’ are not covered by the Civil Code (jus civile): because they precede the Civil Code. So there is nothing WITHIN the Civil Code to define a 'natural-born CITIZEN!'This means that American law acknowledges that 'natural-born CITIZENS' are created by the right of nature (jus naturae), that is, no less than the common law (jus commune) of ‘soil’ (jus solis) and ‘blood,’(jus sanguinis) working together, and in concert.In brief, they are unencumbered by any statute or declaration by government (jus civile). However, try to make these ideas SIMPLE for our time. This is all I can come up with: “If you have to check with someone in government, then you’re not a ‘natural-born CITIZEN!’In fact, that that just abut sums up my beef with the flawed and faulty legal opinions surrounding the candidacy of Senator John Sydney McCain.Why? Because the government belongs to ‘natural-born CITIZENS,’ — and not the other way around!"

    Comment by Bob — September 9, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

  17. from a blogger at naturalborncitizen"Civis Naturaliter Natus Says:September 9, 2009 at 6:47 am is says that Attorney Orly is inviting as many amicus briefs as possible, in the action Captain Pamela Barnett et al. vs. Obama et al., which would arguing against the Motion to Dismiss….Resident attorneys, here is your chance to show your patriotism….Contact:"Donofrio responded:"[Ed. I will have to look into the rules in that court for Amicus Briefs, but the pleadings need to be amended or the British birth issue will not be litigated regardless of what Amicus Briefs say or do not say. The Judge can't amend the pleading, Orly has to do that. His order for scheduling allows for amended complaints. Before I publish my analysis of all this – Judge Carter's orders and the DOJ motion to dismiss – I am waiting to hear form Orly to see if she is amending the complaint – as I have previously suggested – to plead the British birth issue as a separate count.] "

    Comment by cajapie — September 9, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

  18. Bob, I can see that you understand what a "natural born Citizen" is and what "law" defines one. That law is neither any American codified law, jus civile, nor the English common law, but rather federal common law. This federal common law has its genesis in the law of nations which derives from the law of nature. It is this law of nations that is, indeed, jus gentium, the law that natural reason has settled among virtually all peoples. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 9, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

  19. 'bama doesn't have to follow any of that. The kids came home from school yesterday all across the land and their parents asked them "What did you learn in school today children?" They replied "We learned how to forge birth certificates and engage in fraudulent activity."

    Comment by roderick — September 9, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

  20. Shouldn’t the DOJ be the ones prosecuting Obama in our Constitutional defense, instead of defending him from scrutiny as to his Constitutional infringements?

    Comment by cajapie — September 10, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

  21. Mario — Again another excellent dissertation on contitutional law, merits, and research. If anyone reading this blog does not understand NBC by now there is little hope for them. If you are not teaching constitutional law at some law school it is their loss. I find your article informative, and compelling. Good Job!

    Comment by Chief — September 11, 2009 @ 11:24 am

  22. Democratic National Committee, the Chair of the Party convention, the Secretary of the Party, Party offices in each of fifty states, and maybe many, many more, have knowingly and wantonly defrauded the American election system and more than 300 million American citizens.

    Comment by cajapie — September 11, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

  23. It's part of our lawsuit. See pages 19 & 20 and in particular, paragraphs 89-91 in the 2nd Amended Complaint. Pelosi is personally named in the lawsuit. It may be a good time for all to re-read the outstanding complaint and set of 12 charges and counts that Mario put together. Read the 12 counts starting on page 37 and the Prayers for Relief starting on page 69. are all waiting for the Judge in this case to rule on the motions before him which were due for a decision in early August.Believe me, when the Usurper is removed, many, many more heads are going to roll in the leadership of both national political parties and Congress. We the People should throw everyone out in 2010 that we can and then the rest in 2012 and 2014. Get a whole new batch of people who are responsive to the Constitution and We the People down there in DC!Charles

    Comment by cfkerchner — September 11, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

  24. All questions of French grammar aside, isn't there a bit of a problem with Thomas Jefferson? His mother was born near London and died in March, 1776, so she couldn't possibly have been an American citizen. And since most of the authors of the Constitution were still alive in 1800, wouldn't they have pointed out that he was ineligible?

    Comment by chrisd — September 19, 2009 @ 4:41 am

  25. chrisd, The grandfather clause of Article II would allow Jefferson to be President.

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 19, 2009 @ 5:28 am

  26. The statement "natural born citizenOf Our U.S. Constitution required both parent's be U.S. citizens at the time for birth" is not true it only requires one parent to have citizenship. My daughter was born outside the U.S. while her father was in the military. We were given a birth abroad certificate. Which stated that she would have American citizenship automatically because her father was an American citizen serving his country. The base was considered American owned. At the time I did not have American citizenship I was also told that I need to check my country to find out if she would also have citizenship in my country. She did have dual citizen

    Comment by nickeldoor5 — September 25, 2009 @ 1:22 am

  27. Hi Nickeldoor,While your daughter was a full citizen of the USA at birth per statutory laws of the USA, she would not a be a natural born citizen per the laws of nature since that requires both parents to be citizen of the same country when their child is born. Since you were not a citizen when your child was born it does not matter where your child was born, the special legal term and status of "natural born citizen" cannot be granted to your child. And it was not granted via the certificate you mention. It granted citizenship at birth in the USA, not "natural born citizenship". They are not synonymous. special legal term of "natural born citizen" only applies to the office of the Presidency and Vice Presidency of the USA under our Constitution as to who can serve in those offices. Dual citizens are not eligible to serve in the singular offices of President and Commander-in-Chief of the military. That is what this lawsuit with Obama is all about, amongst other legal issues like Congress ignoring the grievances of the People and not calling for the Objections from each and every state as the roll of votes was counted at the Joint Session. There are different types of American citizenship which are obtained via different means at birth or otherwise. Five types are mentioned in the Constitution. If you became a naturalized citizen, you will see your classification in this chart too. See this chart which may be of help to you. article on logical analysis of the various types of citizenship may help too. may wish to comment on this too.Charles

    Comment by cfkerchner — September 25, 2009 @ 1:46 am

  28. Nickeldoor5, Your daughter was not born in the U.S. to parents who were its citizens which is the formula for an Article II "natural born Citizen." Your daughter is also not a 14th Amendment citizen because she was not born in the United States. Being born in a foreign country to a citizen father who was serving "in the armies of the state" but to a non-citizen mother, she is a U.S. citizen by Congressional statute, provided all statutory requirements were met. As a statutory U.S. citizen, she has all the same rights as other U.S. citizens, except she cannot be eligible for the Presidency or Vice Presidency. But that is the only thing that sets her apart from "natural born citizens."

    Comment by Puzo1 — September 25, 2009 @ 3:22 am

  29. The Federal Courts Are Committing Treason to the Constitution per Chief Justice John Marshall. federal courts and judges are committing treason to the Constitution by not taking jurisdiction and getting to the merits in the various cases before them regarding the Article II eligibility clause question for Obama.It is worth keeping in mind the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall when he wrote in Cohens v. Virginia 19 US 264 (1821):"It is most true that this Court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one."Link to the treason quote in case context: to Case Summary: to Full Case: Judge in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress lawsuit and the Judges in the other cases should simply read the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Marshall from the past and take jurisdiction of the constitutional question of the Article II eligibility clause in the Constitution and proceed to a fact finding hearing and trial on the merits to see if Obama is Constitutionally eligible or not. I say Obama is NOT eligible. But we need the federal courts to take the cases and get a SCOTUS ruling to settle this.Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.CDR USNR (Ret)Lead PlaintiffKerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al

    Comment by cfkerchner — October 12, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

  30. What changes would you expect could ensue should Obama be found not eligible to be our President? Obviously,Joe Biden would not take his place since the whole Obama campaign would be deemed fraudulent. Who would take office in the interium especially if Pelosi is also removed as Speaker of the House. Wouldn't it be like a domino effect? It would follow logic that the whole campaign would be null and void and since the public voted overwhelmingly Democratic the Presidency would go to Hillary Clinton? Really would like to ponder any legalities of the aftermath.

    Comment by Faystarr — December 11, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

  31. What a bunch of poo.U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark contains an extensive discussion of the meaning of "natural born" in English common law, "the language of the Constitution". Vattel is clearly irrelevant, since the first English translation using the term "natural born Citizen" came 10 years after the Constitution, and its use of the term was, therefore, most likely influenced by the Constitution, rather than influencing the Constitution.Despite your convoluted logic, the Constitution means what it says, in terms of the legal language of the times, not what you want it to say.

    Comment by Roger — December 21, 2009 @ 6:07 am

  32. Roger, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark only found Wong a "citizen of the United States" under the English common law that prevailed in the colonies. English common law does not define who the Framers sought to make eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. Rather, they relied on natural law and the law of nations which became American common law. The English common law is relevant on state issues such as contracts, inheritance, property, criminal procedure, torts, etc. The Framers did not rely upon it in constituting the new nation, including defining new national citizenship. Vattel's treatise was very influential for the Founders. Many Framers and Founders were fluent in French, along with many other languages. The Framers knew what Vattel meant when he wrote in 1758 "naturels, ou indigenes." The first English translations of Vattel's treatise came in 1759 and 1760. The first English translations of Vattel's treatise used the words "natives, or indigenes." Chief Justice John Marshall in The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814) also used the same words, "natives, or indigenes" and gave the same exact definition to those words as is given to "natural born citizen" in later editions of Vattel's treatise. "Natives, or indigenes" was later translated to "natives, or natural born citizen" by our United States Supreme Court in the cases of Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) (which also took out of Vattel’s definition the reference to “fathers” and “father” and replaced it with “parents” and “person,” respectively; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68(1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); and U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898).

    Comment by Puzo1 — December 21, 2009 @ 6:58 am

  33. Excellent article and discussion here.Faystarr re "legalities of the aftermath": Yes, it's a dog's breakfast. The whole election was tainted by the failure of the Democratic Party authorities to properly investigate & sign off on Obama's eligibility. So the thing is up in the air. What to do.The basic point: Obama, as a usurper, must go. Congress can (constitutionally) declare "what Officer shall then act as President" ("and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected"), but Congress is tainted, too, for not exercising proper oversight and 'standing' in this issue (thus allowing laws to be passed that might well end up null and void; more chaos). And in any event, the Congress only "may" do this, is all. My take on the matter (and I'm happy for a discussion on this, Mr. Apuzzo, from a good, solid, legalistic & patriotic point of view): New elections are needed; but for both the executive and the legislative, en masse. A clean sweep, for legitimacy to have a proper space for expression. And the Supreme Court has no legitimate jurisdiction in the matter, because it has proven itself to be "treasonous" in this matter, in not allowing itself to entertain the various motions for redress brought to it. Justice deferred is not justice. So a little out-of-the-box thinking here: A nonpartisan caretaker executive be put in place, with the backing of the military, who have sworn allegiance to the Constitution of the United States – not the person in the office of POTUS at any given time – and should back such a move for a return to the rule of (constitutional) law. The caretaker to call for elections within, say, 6 months, and announcing a strong mandate for a clean-sweep cleaning out of the Augean stables of national government. A clean sweep, that the people can trust, for its being instituted and accomplished in their name, of government of, by, and for The People.And then we will see progress – true progress. Otherwise it's just business as usual. It's time for a change, all right. Real change. And then we go from there, into a new era.But first things first.

    Comment by Stan — December 26, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

  34. i have often times wondered my self what the definition of natural born citizen is as applied by law. it is clear to me , from this election one needs to only have one parent or both be citizens, if both are the child is natural born regardless of place of birth. if one is and born on us soil the child is natural born simple. The presidential elections in 2008 where both contenders to the office saw to that. Any debate as to the legitimacy of Obama's presidency is a waste of time!

    Comment by bala — January 15, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

  35. Wow, you are one helluva blogger! I have a lot of reading ahead of me now. 🙂

    Comment by Melonie — January 20, 2010 @ 7:46 am

  36. Awesome series of Articles. I also have done some research on this subject. Here is some of what I found:[u][b]Letter from John Jay to George Washington[/b][/u] John Jay – December 12, 1745 – May 17, 1829Was an American politician, [b][u]legal scholar[/u][/b], statesman, revolutionary, diplomat, [u][b]a Founding Father of the United States,[/b][/u] President of the Continental Congress from 1778 to 1779 and, [u][b]from 1789 to 1795, the first Chief Justice of the United States[/b][/u].In a letter from John Jay to George Washington:New York 25 July 1787Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.The above letter from John Jay to George Washington went on to become Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of our US Constitution. [u][b]John Armor Bingham[/b][/u] – January 21, 1815 – March 19, 1900 – [b]Principle framer of the 14th Amendment (which deals with citizenship in the United States)[/b]John Bingham confirms the understanding and the construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:"[b][I] find no fault with the introductory clause[/b] [S 61 Bill], [b]which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution,[/b] that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States [b]of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is[/b], in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . .- John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))[u][b]Senator Charles Pinckney[/b][/u], (October 26, 1757–October 12, 1824) was an American politician who debated and [u][b]was a signer of the United States Constitution[/b][/u], Governor of South Carolina, a Senator and a member of the House of Representatives. They well knew, that to give to the members of Congress a right to give votes in this election, or to decide upon them when given, was to destroy the independence of the Executive, and make him the creature of the Legislature. [b]This therefore they have guarded against[/b], and [u][b]to insure experience and attachment to the country,[/b][/u] they [u]have determined that no man who is not a natural born citizen[/u], or citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, of fourteen years residence, and thirty-five years of age, shall be eligible.- Senator Charles Pinckney, (March 28, 1800). Link: Records Federal Convention 1787 CCLXXXVIII p 385, 387A little info on the US Constitution:- some 54 or 57 delegates from the thirteen colonies debated the US Constitution.- 39 were present on the day of the signing.- There was only four (4) pages for the Constitution, 1 page for Letter of Tranmittal , and 1 page for the Bill of Rights.- It took almost 4 months for these 54 delegates to debate 6 pages.I guess my next question is:How was Obama allowed to run and what do we do now since he is in?

    Comment by PatrioticMarine — March 19, 2010 @ 10:28 pm

  37. Thank you, Patriotic Marine, for your research, and concern over this question. As to your conclusion:"I guess my next question is:How was Obama allowed to run and what do we do now since he is in?"(1) it seems clear that Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton knew there was some question about his eligibility, since Nancy signed off on his ballot authorizations with a change in the wording (thus signifying awareness of the matter), and they acted in concert to have Obama accepted by acclamation at the convention in a way that gave them a card to play, if need be, later, since they didn't allow for a 'nay' vote to be heard. Thus it was a procedural tactic, in case things blew up, or in case they helped things blow up, in the future. That time is now. Because:(2) The sentiment is present in the country to call for his impeachment. On a number of grounds; foremost, that he has failed to address serious questions regarding his eligibility, by providing his various records, like an innocent person would have. If he has nothing to hide, etc. A potential legal hitch in this action is a Catch-22: If he has occupied the position illegally, then he can't be impeached, since he isn't really the president. But I doubt that his loyal followers will try to play THAT card…The basic answer is that the military must be persuaded to call for clarity on this matter, before they will continue to follow his orders, as Commander in Chief in question. Perhaps more servicepeople need to go to court, refusing his orders. But I would think that a mass presence of such persons, current and retired, in front of either the Capitol or the Supreme Court Building would do the job. Both agencies know how to read such a response.

    Comment by Stan — March 20, 2010 @ 6:31 pm

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